> this is uglier than a mammoth ass from inside, and as handy to use for typing on a keyboard

HA! And yes, it looks ugly. Every few years I see an effort to make Python more like Java, and its always like, No, Java is still available (and very popular)

Regards Toga-- the whole Bee framework (of whcih toga is a part) has been out for years, but has never really taken off. Ive heard of problems with people trying to use them beyond toy projects. I dont know if anything has changed in the last 2-3 years, the last time I tried it, but it wasnt ready for production then

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Yes, it's a bit about a chicken and egg problem. We need more people to use it to gain field experience, but people won't use it unless it get battle tested.

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